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May 15, 2011

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D.G.

"I find it incredible that you see fit to expose " failing devices that have stayed on the market" yet you refuse to accept that the smoking ban is also one of these."

The day I'm offered a smoking ban instead of a hip prosthetic, I'm going private.

HuwOS

"Unfortunately the reality is that you, nor any government will ever stop people smoking as it is their choice to smoke or not smoke "
- While they are encouraging people to stop smoking, they are not planning on forcing anyone to stop smoking.

"Your 81% of population supporting the ban is an absurdity extracrted from YouGov's Peter Kellner who is seriously anti tobacco"
Okay, I think we can all see what you are doing here, you don't like the results of a survey, so you cover your ears and sing LALALA as loud as you can.

"and if 25% of smokers plan to quit this year, then why haven't they already?"
- For those of you who haven't been paying attention, it's an addiction.

"If 63% say they would LIKE to quit, why haven't they done so? "
- Again, it's an addiction, a hell of a lot easier to start than to stop.

"Tell me Paul, just what is government going to do if all smoking is eradicated"
Paul will of course answer for himself if he can work up the energy to deal facts with people who prefer to just make things up as they go along, but the answer will quite possibly contain things like
1) No one is expecting smoking to be eradicated
2) If magically it was eradicated, the loss of 10.5-11 billion pounds would be at least partially mitigated by the 5bn the NHS would not have to spend on dealing with the results and with better health for that 20% there would presumably be benefits in working days not lost and taxes collected, incapacity benefit not having to be paid.
Even without the massive knock on benefits, what price is it you think should be put on the lives of citizen's by government.
If I pay the government £1bn should I be allowed to kill x number of people?
If you think so, you should contact the tax payer's alliance as that is a way to cut the debt that I am sure they would be keen on. If you would allow it to be done on horseback with hounds you might be able to get some countryside alliance tories that the tpa somehow missed to come on board

3) Number 1 is actually the answer.


The Archivist

Unfortunately the reality is that you, nor any government will ever stop people smoking as it is their choice to smoke or not smoke Paul. Your 81% of population supporting the ban is an absurdity extracrted from YouGov's Peter Kellner who is seriously anti tobacco and if 25% of smokers plan to quit this year, then why haven't they already?
If 63% say they would LIKE to quit, why haven't they done so? Ridiculous figures plucked from ASH-Planet yet again to make the dictatorship look ever more powerful. Tell me Paul, just what is government going to do if all smoking is eradicated, to replace the £11bn per annum those who smoke happily donate to the government coffers?

patrick

I've read a lot of what the tiny minority of smokers say.

Heres a link that might be of interest.

http://www.pointlesssites.com/hypnotic.asp

HuwOS

Wow, new name, same ol' nonsense.

You'll have a friend around about here somewhere, The Archivist, he styles himself Junican, you may know him, after all there only seem to be about 20 people crazy enough to ignore reality and bang on against the ever increasing popularity of the ban on smoking in public places.
He sometimes uses different nicknames but I am sure you'll recognise his style regardless.

Hard really to say that legislation that has the support of 81% of the population and that is only strongly opposed by 1/6th of smokers, is failing.
Especially when that 1/6th or roughly 17% of smokers who strongly oppose the ban on smoking in public places are balanced against the 25% who plan to quit smoking this year or the larger 63% of smokers that they are part of, who say they would like to quit smoking.

So kudos to those psychotics who keep attempting to get others to join them in their delusion that the ban on smoking in public places is somehow unpopular.
Blinkers on, earplugs in, wail and moan as loud as you can.
You can imagine you're nobly fighting against some kind of exceptionally benign tyranny instead of simply making fools of yourselves and confusing children.

The Archivist

I find it incredible that you see fit to expose " failing devices that have stayed on the market" yet you refuse to accept that the smoking ban is also one of these. You seem quite happy to be part of a government that resorts to lies, fabrications and junk science to wield dictator like power over the very people that give it £11bn per annum.
You state "There are also links between surgeons paid to design devices and the companies promoting them..."
Exactly the same as what is occuring with government, Big pharma & anti tobacco charities then Paul-pot, kettle, black maybe?
When choice is allowed, that is when you can call yourself a true politician of the people and not a small cog in a mighty dictatorship machine!

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