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May 26, 2011

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Repulsemonkey

Patrick

I am being completely serious. I have answered your comments in earlier postings. I am not repeating myself.

Derrick Jensen is quoted by Lierre Keith in 'Deep Green Resistance' (2011) as describing wind-farms as "dead bat and dead birds farms".

It is a mystery to me why the RSPB supports windfarms given the evidence but I understand they are beginning to change their minds. news.scotsman.com/inverness/RSPB-object-to-windfarm-plan.6727537.jp

patrick

Isabelle White
Radar technology is being used to prevent bat deaths. As for birds the problem you have is why do the RSPB both support wind farms and install them on their reserves?

"be green not gullible!"

This would be funny were it not so ridiculous.

We're all aware that we need to reduce CO2 and fight climate change. Renewables will never solve the entire problem but they will help.

Would you rather have a nuclear power station?

What possibly could be more anti-green than your ignorant suspicion of renewable energy?

We have the possibility to create clean renewable energy, to cut CO2 ,to help meet our nations targets but we have folk like you that think they don't look very nice.

Well let's paint them Green!

I don't expect answers ( see repulsemonkey).
His total lack of answers has been replaced with sarcasm.


Repulsemonkey

Isabelle

Good post. Perhaps we should tell Patrick the difference between a housing estate and a wind energy farm.

Isabelle White

Patrick, Wind Turbines will lead to more species will they? Tell that to the bats (whose lungs explode), the birds who fly into them, the horse related businesses who are unable to ride bridle ways near turbines, and the wildlife dependent on the hedgerows torn up to make room for the construction and maintenance roads. Oh, and don't please forget the people living nearby who are made ill by the constant low frequency noise and lack of sleep. If the technology worked and was really going to make a difference these might just be tolerable sacrifices, but this is all a big con - be green not gullible!

Repulsemonkey

Patrick

My view of you is based on the evidence that you have presented in this thread and the way you relate to other contributors.

patrick


Repulsemonkey

Repeat Question
I simply stated that the objections against renewables and just about everything else that will benefit future generations come from the elderly section of society.

Are you disputing this well known fact?

"You claim you are knowledgeable about landscapes and wild-life. What do you think 840 turbines at 440foot plus and concrete bases the size of olympic swimming pools across Montgomeryshire is going to do to the micro-climate?"

Have a word with any field ecologist and they will tell you that if the wind mills are to be sited on 'improved grassland' (as most British farmland is) then the number of species would increase.

English Nature did a study that showed putting a housing estate on a modern ‘improved field’ contained more species than when used to make silage. The field was cut several times a year and fed artificial fertilizers and homed next to nothing. When houses were built they had gardens, used less chemicals and most importantly planted trees, shrubs, flowers etc.

"I don't thing you know much about science at all."

And there's nothing patronising, prejudicial and discriminatory about your attitude either is there?

Repulsemonkey

Patrick
I honestly don't know about 250 groups across the country. Do you? You have your wind-industry PR sources. But I am more concerned by your prejudice and discriminatory attitudes.

You claim you are knowledgeable about landscapes and wild-life. What do you think 840 turbines at 440foot plus and concrete bases the size of olympic swimming pools across Montgomeryshire is going to do to the micro-climate?

I don't thing you know much about science at all.

patrick

Isabelle white
"Patrick, I struggle to understand why you feel covering the countryside with failed industrial scale technology and oceans of concrete is an appropriate way to save the planet."

First off the planet is not in jeopardy, only the species that inhabit it are.

If the site of the wind farm is on an 'improved grassland' then even with the concrete and windmills the site will support far more species than the former.

"But apparently it is somehow okay to allow multinational power companies and greedy farmers to destroy the UK countryside so that they can cash in on mind boggling indirect subsidies."

In what way will the countryside be destroyed?

patrick

rainbow warrior

I create infrastructure and habitat to support wildlife species but am a realist and realise that i'm p@@@ing into a force 9 gale.

patrick

Repulse monkey

I simply stated that the objections against renewables and just about everything else that will benefit future generations come from the elderly section of society.

Are you disputing this well known fact?

Isabelle White

Patrick, I struggle to understand why you feel covering the countryside with failed industrial scale technology and oceans of concrete is an appropriate way to save the planet.

You are rightly angry that: "97% of unimproved grassland meadows have been destroyed, thousands of miles of hedgerows removed, ancient woodland ruined,chemical pollution, artificial fertilizers have decimated wildlife..." And who has presided over this destruction of the countryside? The very same farmers who are now making MILLIONS by leasing their land to power companies!

You probably don't think the rain forests should be cut down to make room for cattle which will become burgers. And surely you are uncomfortable about the pollution in China being caused by the mining needed for turbine magnet components?

But apparently it is somehow okay to allow multinational power companies and greedy farmers to destroy the UK countryside so that they can cash in on mind boggling indirect subsidies.

rainbow warrior

I believe hundreds of people have been protesting about the destruction of the native landscape/ decline in species, condition of our food and windfarms etc etc etc for decades and i hope that you have been one of them because I really get annoyed with people who sit on their sofa's/garden benches cursing the wrong doings of people when they havent got up and protested themselves, or written a letter or chained themself to something in a vain hope that would make one of the rich business men change their mind. Thank you for your information on organic produce. I have been buying as much as i can for a over a decade now plus local produce my own produce and fairtrade I do what i can and try to educate others along the way. I sleep well in knowing i'm doing my best and will continue to fight loudly for what i believe is right until my last breath. Over and out .

Repulsemonkey

Patrick

It is not the fact that you mention these groups comprise older people that worries me, it is the fact that you seem to think that their views are less valid than younger peoples views.

If these groups are set in rural areas, I am not surprised that their membership is older. Younger people have had to leave the countryside for work. In my own city, we find that members of all organisations whether they be political, religious or cultural tend to be over 50. (Although looking at the pictures of the Mid-Wales demo, there were lots of young people and families there) I think younger people are just too busy working and bringing up families to spare the time.

As for 'you and your kind' as you so kindly put it, I am a member of Greenpeace, work for Fairtrade and community issues in my town. I voted Labour until the Iraq war when I started voting Green.

Thanks though for all those interesting links to wind industry sponsored sites.... You see it is true the wind energy business is trying to get young people to lobby on their behalf.

patrick

windfarm warrior

The debates surrounding renewables are happening nationwide right across Britain with more than 250 protest groups. I'm not simply directing my writing towards the wind farms in Montgomeryshire but attitudes country wide.

250 protest groups are busy ‘defending their local environment from destruction’ .It’s ironic that these groups have passively allowed and continue to ignore the real destruction to both our environment and native species.

Changing the farming subsidy system would be a massive step forward. The removal of subsides from intensive to organic farming would give us the chance to return to the small family farm.

Intensive farming gives us pesticide ridden foods, erodes soil humus, destroys our native flora and fauna and takes taxes from the poor to make millionaires as well as end small scale farms.

Organic farming gives us the reversal with healthier food and milk, repairs the soils, could offer our wildlife possibly its last chance , and with a little help could see the return of the small family farm.

Surely the spending of our taxes on subsidising garbage quality food production, poisons to prop up the crops , erode the soil and kill wildlife, make agro businessmen rich would be a cause for thousands of protest groups (inc warriors) and riots?

Not a protest group, never a march to a capital, a Glyn Davis speech (you’re having a laugh).

WHY?

windfarm warrior

I kind of feel Patrick that we're actually on the same side and as i'm not an educated environmentalist nor wildlife expert (although i know several people that are and will research more into the effect farming has had in Montgomeryshire.) i'm not aware of all that are so passionate about. I dont think you can scream so loudly at peoples unawareness regarding urban growth , land drainage road construction as it is largely out of most peoples hands as it what they're planning in mid wales which will include all of what you mention. Are you saying it doesnt matter because the damage has alraedy been done? I agree with you on much you say but just feel your attacks on "rich city incomers and retired colonels " doesnt really apply to our area. The people that i've met , like myself are all local families who have lived here all their lives, farmers whose families have worked the land for decades. myself and a large percentage of my friends grow are own fruit and veg and local schools sell locally produced veg through a healthy eating scheme.Most of us wont be directly visually affected by the proposals. I assume you dont drive on roads, own a car or eat any commercially produced food? Lucky you. We have limited public transport in our area except in the largest towns and therefore a car is generally a neccessity particularly for families having to take children some distance to the nearest school. car schemes and bike payment incentives are good in the county though which helps. I accept all your points but feel that they should be directed at someone else NOT the genuinely concerned people of Montgomeryshire. For the record I am a reception teacher and school fairtrade co ordinator. I also love gardening. YOur anger would be useful in trying to do something positive instead of attacking people.

patrick

Repulse monkey

Try this
http://www.350resources.org.uk/2010/11/03/uk-people-over-55-are-much-more-likely-to-oppose-windfarms-a-survey-has-found/

Or this
http://www.ipbcommunications.co.uk/news/353/old-people-blocking-wind-power-for-future-generations


Maybe this
http://ecopolitology.org/2010/11/08/wind-powers-number-one-political-threat-old-people/

Sorry to be repetitive
http://www.worldofwindenergy.com/wind_resources/research-and-analysis/older_people_blocking_wind_power_for_future_generations.html


Please feel at liberty to complain about me to the EHRC . It’s unlikely you will have the time what with protesting about pylons, wind, and probably far more than I’m aware of.

I have zero connections to any renewable industry; I am a self employed landscape gardener. I earn a pittance because I specialise in wildlife habitat.

My motivation in this debate is that NIMBY groups are using their ‘love of the environment’ as a pathetic excuse. The same people have sat by and watched 60 years of habitat destruction in the British countryside.

97% of unimproved grassland meadows have been destroyed, thousands of miles of hedgerows removed, ancient woodland ruined,chemical pollution, artificial fertilizers have decimated wildlife, urban expansion, land drainage, road construction etc etc….

And whilst this has been going on for over half a century the retired colonels and rich city incomers have driven round in their discoveries at ease with the world.

It’s taken 60 years for you and your kind to have an opinion at exactly the same time you feel your house prices and precious views are affected.

Exterminating and vastly reducing wildlife species has been fine by you but put something in your line of vision and you become outraged.

Pathetic!

Gerald

"I pity Newport having you as an MP Mr Flynne. They certainly dont have higher standards for electing someone as narrowminded as ourself." Rainbow Warrior.
Do not pity Newport if you had studied Paul's 'track-record' or seen his performance in Parliament both in the Chamber and at Select Committee meetings when they are televised, you would be aware that we have an MP who is hard working for his constituency and far from being narrow minded is open to debate and discussion and listens to any case that is put to him.
But, because he is open to debate and listens that does not, nor should it, mean that he automatically supports anything without examining the merits of the case.

Repulsemonkey

Patrick

I think your ageist and class-based stereotypes grossly distort the issues. It is an ugly argument in a democracy and if you were talking about any other group of people in this way, we would quite rightly be making complaints about you to the EHRC.

Are you acting independently or on behalf of the wind industry?

patrick

Rainbow warrior

The fantasy
“I merely mentioned my partners parents farm as being organic and due to the nature of the land in mid Wales there is no "intensive" agriculture to my knowledge.”

The reality
‘The landscapes surrounding Pumlumon are breathtaking, not only for their raw natural beauty, but for their wide horizons and sense of space. However, like most of the uplands across Wales, intensive land use activities have resulted in a significant loss of biodiversity, with many of the habitats being either lost or degraded to poor condition. Over-grazing by sheep has induced soil compaction, which has resulted in increased flooding of the lowland areas.’
Source Montgomeryshire Wildlife Trust


Secondly -
“If wind turbines are the answer why not stick them up everywhere,”

That’s a good idea the problem is that there are presently over 250 narrow-minded NIMBY protest groups largely comprising of elderly, privileged, wealthy people opposed to wind, wave, solar, pylons and everything else which might indicate CHANGE!

rainbow warrior

I pity Newport having you as an MP Mr Flynne. They certainly dont have higher standards for electing someone as narrowminded as ourself. At least Lembit was in touch with the people he represented and in touch with reality which you obviously are not. For your information Newtown and Welshpool and surrounding area have a large number of Polish immigrants living there, and obviously chines and Indian immigrants obviously not as large a scale as a large city like Newport but we have our share of crime as does any other area. I certainly don't get subsidised broadband, (I pay more than my parents who live on manchester) just broadband that isnt very fast! Have to travel about 15 miles to nearest A and E and if thats shut , 25 miles as they shut the local one down the road but hey at least we have the air ambulance which is funded by local people. You choose to live in a city, if you even actually live in wales, but you obviously have never travelled furthur north than merthyr and would appear to have have no idea of whats happening beyond your own back yard. perhaps you would like to present your case for windfarms and other renewable options with past, present and predicted figures for output/effiency in relation to CO2 levels etc as i for one cannot find this information.

Repulsemonkey

Paul
You sound envious. Rural life can be difficult for many and I am surprised you are not aware of this.

Patrick
My problem with wind energy is that it is being fueled by a type of "gold rush": some landowners and corporations are making millions out of it. Also when I speak to scientists about this form of energy, they are all very sceptical about it. I certainly think it has its place in some areas and I don't worry so much about off-shore. There are some large off-shore developments near where I live. Patrick, you are right we are in a difficult position and there are no easy answers. We are going to have to live differently. Personally, I don't have a problem with this. I am in favour of renewables (and they seem to work well for small scale projects) but not at the expense of some of our most beautiful regions.

Paul Flynn

"In recent years Mid-Wales has been massively neglected even persecuted through the dismantling of health services as well as the lack of economic support from Senedd."

In any proof is required of the Victimhood complex of mid Wales nimbies this comment is it. 'Neglected, persecuted, dismantling'? In fact these areas are part of pampered rural areas of subsidised farming, subsidised broadband, subsidised post offices, and, of course, low crime, high education standards, healthy environment and no nasty developments and definitely no immigrants.

Does anyone believe this tissue of hysterical neurotic rabble-rousing exaggerations in that leaflet.? It is wrong on everything. More rural myths.

No wonder Montgomery put up with MPs of the calibre of Lembit Opik for years. Glad that Newport has higher standards.

rainbow warrior

Again Patrick I ask have you been to Montgomeryshire? I merely mentioned my partners parents farm as being organic and due to the nature of the land in mid wales there is no "intensive" agriculture to my knowledge. I am aware that hundreds of years ago the woodlands were cleared for sheep farming but certainly where i live there ar acres of deciduous woodland containing rarities such as the native welsh daffodill which local farmers keep clear of sheep during its bloom to help it spread. iam not a biologist nor ornothologist but am aware of many species of wildlife which have been broght back from the brink of extinction in Mid Wales . The red Kite for example brings thousands of tourists each year to the area. Iolo Williams a famous Welsh environmentalist and ornothologist lives in Montgomeryshire and is campaigning on behalf of the environment and wildlife as part of our battle. As i said earlier this is not about our house prices. Many people in Montgomeryshire are not even onnected to the National grid as areas are so isolated. Only the large towns are connected to gas and mains sewarage. Are you beginning to see how we live Patrick. Most people who choose to live in the back of the beyond are people who do want to live sustainable lives. my childen who are the next generation and old enough to hold their own opinions after hearing and reading all the arguments are equally opposed to what they see as the ruination of an area of outstanding national beauty. I personally believe the government has a more sinister agenda in our area as i cannot believe they truely think sticking windfarms up on every available hill top will solve the energy crises. It will always need backup and the only clean solution to that i believe, much as i find it hard to say, will be nuclear. If wind turbines are the answer why not stick them up everywhere, along the M4, M1 around London and Manchester, have a turbine to help small villages, stick PV's on the roof tops in cities and farm buildings, rural towns so truely everyone is playing their part and seeing what the renewable options are. I believe this is called SMART energy and would obviously mean than larger demand required more renewable energy but would, i am led to believe cut out the need for the national grid, pylons on such a large scale. We already have windfarms in our area which have provided some of the energy needs of the area for over 10 years without the need for the power station like infrstructure which is being proposed at the moment. We have been told by the national grid that we will not benefit from the small amount of energy that the 800 plus turbines will produce. How will people become aware of their carbon footprints while their sustainable energy is being produced hundreds of miles away on a hilltop. I don't have the answers and neither do you I suspect but at least i am standing up for the environment as i have done in the past and always will do.

patrick

Repulsemonkey

"But they do quite rightly question the efficacy of windturbines. Even George Monbiot in his article "Support Windfarms?" in the Guardian this week refers to the turbines having a total load factor of 26%. This figure is pathetic and we know that last year, because the winds were lower, the figure was nearer 19%."

Nobody has ever suggested wind power is going to supply all our energy needs.In combination with other renewables it will help to supply energy for the next generation.

It's clear that the human species does not want to use less energy.As the world population grows so does the amount of energy needed.

So we (collectively) do not wish to live sustainable lives, require year on year more power, continue to pollute the atmosphere, and last but not least object to any sensible renewable options.

So if you give a monkeys (pardon the pun) about the next generations please tell us what you suggest then?

What are your own objections to wind power?

Repulsemonkey

I am genuinely shocked that a Member of Parliament can adopt such a tone when talking about people who are worried and scared about the future. These people are likely to be exploited by large multinationals chasing EU subsidies.

I am sorry that you, Paul Flynn, are so disparaging about the people who opposed the developments in your area.

As to your last point, "pretend global warming will not happen", a great many people in mid-Wales do not take this view. But they do quite rightly question the efficacy of windturbines. Even George Monbiot in his article "Support Windfarms?" in the Guardian this week refers to the turbines having a total load factor of 26%. This figure is pathetic and we know that last year, because the winds were lower, the figure was nearer 19%.

Wind is a highly unreliable form of energy and it depends upon gas or coal powered stations to back them up. The wind tends to be low when the weather is cold just at the time when we need more power. We have no idea what will be the ecological impact of these supersize windfarms on the micro-climate.

As for your references to Denmark, as I understand it, there are many people who are unhappy about what is happening but find it difficult to speak up.

But I expect, Paul, you would think they were NIMBYS. Heavens above, people standing up for their rights, questioning the spin we are all fed by the PR people, whatever next... they might even want to influence government policy.

I am so pleased you are not my MP.

And one final point the Montgomeryshire against Pylons web-site is brilliant. Well done folks!

patrick

The real objections of the nimbys or in this case wimbys are far removed from the rubbish they often trot out.

Have a look at this.
http://www.montgomeryshireagainstpylons.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/PYLON-FLYER-with-facebook-details-.pdf

Paul Flynn

This is bad case of victimhood that has broken out in Mid Wales. All developments are routinely opposed everywhere now. The probable consequences are exaggerated. In this case local MP Glyn Davies has talked of 'total destruction'. The myth develops that Mid Wales is being treated unfairly as the only place for new renewables.

They forget the off-shore wind farms that provoke nimbyism in north Wales last year. Even in Newport we have had in the past 12 months, the biggest gas powered station in the UK opened, windmills, and a planned biofuel station and two solar farms. All require pylons to carry the electricity away.

Inevitably ALL were opposed by nimbyists. Every development is. Every pylon is. What is the alternative? Pretend global warming will not happen?

patrick

rainbow warrior

"It is one of the few untouched and unspoiled areas which people like you feel is okay to dig up and destroy under some ridiculous "Green" banner."

What percentage of farms in your area are organic?

As the national average is about 5% then it will be around about 95% intensive.

You think 95% intensive constitutes 'untouched and unspoiled'.
The fantasy world is all yours!

During 60 years of wildlife destruction we see no marches, protest groups, MPS objections, or locals making any more noise than a mouse.

Now all of a sudden we have spoilt brats all over the UK campaigning against wind power, solar power, recycling centres, pylons etc etc....

And what is the favourite cliché ' it will spoil the countryside'.

What this equates too is it’s ok to fight a chemical war on biodiversity for 60 years but put up a wind farm or pylons and spoil our view and all hell will break loose.

http://www.montgomeryshireagainstpylons.org/

rainbow warrior

Patrick "I live on another planet to everyone else"
Oh yes! people like you are the reason that i left the Green Party 10 years ago and cancelled my Green peace subscription.
I am neither rich, nor have a discovery altho my partner has a quad because his parents are local farmers who have lived here all their lives. Their sheep are farmed organically as are their cows who live happy lives on chemically free pastures. Have you ever even been to MId Wales, or Montgomeryshire? I am certainly not a spoiled brat nor are my 3 children. WE have just built a low budget house using reclaimed windows etc etc and have kept our carbon footprint as low as we possibly can within our budget which isnt hard as in this area we've only just had a broadband connection! I have always been environmentally passionate as are most of the thousands of people who choose to live in Montgomeryshire.It is one of the few untouched and unspoiled areas which people like you feel is okay to dig up and destroy under some ridiculous "Green" banner. Green/sustainable is never achieved where profit is made. Wind energy is neither free nor reliable when you take into account the creation of the turbines and the disruption of the land and local economy in our instance. The people of Montgomery, who are largely small scale sheep and beef, and egg farmers have not been quiet about whats been happening for over 60 years. the reason we didnt get up and shout sooner is because a succesion of money grabbing and ill informed am's and mps passed a planning notice about 6 years ago without fully realising its implications and without having a public consultation. You really need to read up more about it. This fight is not just about wind energy and electricity its about loocal people having a say in what happens in their county which is not NIMBYISM and even if it is SO WHAT. who else is going to stand up for nature and the environment if the locals dont. I truely feel sorry that you are so blinkered that you cannot see beyond your un informed statements. Come to Montgomeryshire and meet the adults and children who feel so passionately about their beautiful valleys and hills.I dont think you'll find anyone who's actually that concerned about their individual property value - house prices here are some of the lowest in the country anyway. Duh! OR maybe you should just move to that other planet you so obviously want to live on.

patrick

To the Nimby's (silent since WW11)

The real 'destruction and industrialisation of your beautiful countryside' has been going on (unopposed) since 1945.

Industrial farming has chemically poisoined, contaminated food, eroded soils, destroyed habitats and decimated species right in view of your front door's.

NIMBY exactly describes well-off people that drive around in discoveries, privately educate their children, don't give a monkeys about habitat destruction and then claim they 'love' the environment.

It just seems a shame and slightly odd that you have waited over 60 years and precisely until the announcement of windmills that we get to hear about your environmental passion.

Your only cares are about yourselves,your shares, your property value, your materialistic lives, and your view.

For the benefit of the nation (not spoilt brats) bring on the windmills!

Paul Flynn

Do make some inquiries into what has happenned with wind power in Spain, Denmark, California,,

Annette Batty

Relatively LARGE compared to your brain I would imagine Mr Flynn

David Bannister

NIMBY seems to be a popular word on this subject and I feel is a decoy used by politicians and some of the media alike. If one reads the science and understands the real arguments about why wind farms on such a scale are not the answer to the coming energy gap one would without hesitation back the protesters call to halt plans to the infestation the energy companies (and with help from planners propose. It is an absurd project considering the need for fossil or nuclear fuel power to back up wind power. I believe that if the truth was known to more people, no matter where they lived you might see Westminster suffocated by protest marchers from all over the UK and beyond. There is a rise in those countries in Europe that were sold the idea that wind power could meet the future energy need and money poured into onshore and offshore farms. THEY ARE NOW REGRETTING THIS FOLLY. It would be foolhardy to follow their path. To destroy such delicate ecosystems and vital open spaces with such high financial cost and disruption for so little gain. I would advise further reading and an open mind in understanding all possible future alternative energy sources that will soon be a real option for all.

windfarm warrior

Have you ever been to Montgomeryshire in Mid Wales Mr Flynn ? The reason a rather large number of people (not everybody could make the protest in Cardiff) are protesting about the industrialisation of our beautiful landscape goes much deeper than overhead powerlines and ineffecient wind turbines going under the false claim of being "green". It is more to do with the way people like yourself choose to ignore the voice of the people of Wales and make decisions based on money, inaccurate information and without any thought for the people who it will affect. Wales produces more than enough energy for its needs and we have been told by the National grid consultation team that this energy will be of no benefit to the residents of Mid Wales whatsoever. How will people ever be aware of their carbon footprints when their electrical energy is being created miles away. If we thought that this was the best and only possible way to reduce CO2 levels then we would accept the decision and push for underground cabling. But wind energy has been proven to be inefficient and unreliable and the subsidies are paid for by us all in our electricity bills. So in effect the residents of montgomeryshire are paying for the desecration of our landscape our economy and our health. AS an MP you should be listening to the people of Wales because this battle will continue, not just here but around the country as the message spreads. Yo may call me a NIMBY but I am proud to stand up for the environment I live in. I choose to stay here beacause of its isolation and beauty, something you cannot put a price on.And if we dont stand up and fight the politicians will continue to dig up every last bit of green hillside and sell every forest to create an alien landscape which noone wants to visit. Shame on you.

Gareth Hopkins

'Relatively small' Paul? Relative to what? Relative to the other protests outside the Welsh Assembly? Your attitude on this absolutely stinks. Come to Montgomeryshire and see for yourself the damage that will be caused. This is not NIMBYism. This is Mid Wales sticking up for itself.

Catherine Springer

Dear Mr Flynn

I am sure that if you had a proposed Pylon to be situated at the end of your garden you would have a slightly different opinion especially considering the potential health risks to young children, should you have any.
In recent years Mid-Wales has been massively neglected even persecuted through the dismantling of health services as well as the lack of economic support from Senedd. Our beautiful countryside enables us to generate significant income through tourism and if these plans go ahead, income in this area will reduce dramatically creating a drain on national resources as unemployment will certainly rise. As opposed to toeing the party line perhaps you should visit our area and consult with the local population before you even begin to pass comment!

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