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January 27, 2011

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Gerald

D.G. the balance is not, mainly, between the rights of victims and offenders. The balance is between the rights and responsibilities of the citizen. If anyone wants to refuse to carry out their responsibilities to society and their fellow citizens by committing a criminal act then logically and morally they should not expect to receive your rights. Rights and responsibilities are a balance you should not get one without the other. When they carry out a crime, and stick two fingers up to society and their fellow citizens, they lose their right to liberty and vote.

D.G.

Giving prisoners the vote safeguards democracy. Everybody benefits. There's a case for debating the balance of rights between victims and offenders, and the reward system in prisons, but I don't see what a twice(max thrice)-per-decade trip to the ballot box has to do with it.

HuwOS

Yes, I did Gerald.

Gerald

Huw I'm happy to read that you believe voting is a responsibility. So as a responsible citizen did you vote in last May's General Election?

Paul Flynn

What the tabloid Tories fail to understand is the role of the Court throughout Europe

HuwOS

Voting is both a right and a responsibility.

What is more, the validity of the laws and offices of any democratic nation are predicated on everyone having the ability to vote.

It is not about having sympathy for offenders it is about having respect for democracy and your fellow citizens.

Gerald

Quite right Paul, they should be stopped as well and add the Pool tables to the list.
No privileges, never drugs or alcohol, unless they are earned by good behaviour or working for them. And if they don't work then they should only get subsistence rations.
I spent too long as a volunteer with Victim Support in Newport to have any sympathy whatsoever for offenders.

Paul Flynn

Why do the other privileges that prisoners enjoy now not infuriate their victims, Gerald? Do you think that prisoners value a ballot paper above their television, alcohol and drugs?

Gerald

With rights comes responsibilities. If you have broken the law and been found guilty then you are not carrying out your responsibilities as a citizen to respect the rights of your fellow citizens. You forfeit your right to liberty and quite rightly the right to vote as well.
It is time the balance of rights in this country was shifted away from the offender towards the victims of their crimes. Giving convicted offenders the right to vote is only going to rub salt in the wounds of their victims and should be resisted strongly.

HuwOS

The right and duty to vote is at the very foundation of what I believe in and what I believe democracy to be.

It is and always has been wrong to deny the vote to anyone for any reason.

It was shameful of previous administrations to not change the situation and it adds shame to shame, which reflects on us all, for an administration of any colour to fight to preserve a wrong.

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