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December 06, 2010

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Kay Tie

"Will Coalition's new drugs policy recognise that we have the toughest drugs policy in Europe and the worst outcomes? I doubt it."

I doubt it too. It's depressing.

Kay Tie

"Illegal drugs use in Portugal has gone UP not down since decriminalisation "

So? What's it got to do with anyone else what someone puts into their blood stream?

HuwOS

Exactly Butcombe man, it isn't as if we have an example of prohibition of alcohol in a western country that would utterly contradict your stance.

Butcombe Man

Paul Flynn always comments from the position of someone who supports legalisation. Some of what he says is untrue or spun to reflect his position.

Illegal drugs use in Portugal has gone UP not down since decriminalisation and increased availabilty of (forced) treatment is a factor to analyse. Recent comments from the judiciary there, have been very critical. Portugal is not a succesful model despite the mantra of repetition that it is, by the legalisation lobby. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

The alcohol/tobacco model is the evidence against legalisation. Both the legal drugs cause enormous social and personal harm. Far more in total and inevitably, than the illegal drugs

Legalisation and normalisation of the illegal drugs would, could, only produce greater use & more TOTAL harm from drugs.

Harm from drugs is not just to the user, it is to those around the user and to wider society. There are particular dangers in increasing illegal drugs use, of harm to the unborn.

Do we have the "toughest drugs policy in Europe"? Hardly. We have substantially relaxed our regimes since the mid 90s and our drugs problems have got worse, at an accelerating rate as that has been done. We sepnd much less on enforcement than even the Dutch.

Paul Flynn

KayTie. We have not had a sensible policy since 1971 when with all-party support we embarked on a policy of tough prohibition. When it did not work, we made it tougher, then tougher still. Will Coalition's new drugs policy recognise that we have the toughest drugs policy in Europe and the worst outcomes? I doubt it.

Kay Tie

Labour had policy-based evidence. This government doesn't even have that.

It's certainly more honest to come out and say "yeah, we know drugs aren't harmful, but we're just going to ignore that" compared to Labour's policy-based evidence approach.

But I feel it's so much worse having been honest and then barefacedly say (or imply) "we're keeping the drugs laws as they are, even though we know that they are harmful and there is no rational basis for them"

It stinks.

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