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May 09, 2010

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Kay Tie

" I would have liked to see a Lib-Lab coalition"

The Liberal Democrats have never before had to hold a united front under public gaze: because no-one cared before about their policies. They could (and did) successfully say opposite things in different local campaigns.

Now, though, they have the chance for real power, and these contradictions will come to the fore. I doubt they can hold together a Lib-Con pact either: there are parts of the party that are for low tax, small-government, civil liberties, which would chime well with Cameron's half of the Tories.

There are other parts of the Lib Dem party that are high-tax, big-government and who care little for civil liberties. This half naturally fits with Labour.

I expect to see massive internal strains over whatever pact they eventually reach. And the same in whichever party joins with them: it's well-known that both Labour and Tory activists detest with a passion the Lib Dems for their underhand local campaigning tactics that never come under scrutiny. See, for example, Tom Harris's joke about business before pleasure:

http://www.tomharris.org.uk/2010/04/12/the-moral-dilemma/

DG

"If the numbers had been different there was a tiny possibility that Gordon could have held on for a short while if a straightforward simple coalition deal was available."

True that - I would have liked to see a Lib-Lab coalition, but not with these numbers.

HuwOS

"Poor Gordon. I think somebody persuasive must've told him that Labour would be able to pull off the progressive coalition and stay in power if he resigned."

If the numbers had been different there was a tiny possibility that Gordon could have held on for a short while if a straightforward simple coalition deal was available.
Even then his life expectancy as party leader would have been on the clock.
He was always going to be going after this election sooner rather than later.

I see the incapacity to understand the UK electoral system has extended itself to the top level of the tory party who now express the belief that PM's are elected.

As the Tories are now offering as a final offer a referendum on AV it seems they are more in agreement with Labour than with the LibDems.

LibDems should tell them to work it out amongst themselves and take up the role of proper opposition.

Kay Tie

"So, Gordon Brown is going to go."

No, he's not. He's going to hang around like a stubborn stain on the carpet.

"Any hint yet of a con/lab pact?"

Shudder.

Time to call another election.

DG

Poor Gordon. I think somebody persuasive must've told him that Labour would be able to pull off the progressive coalition and stay in power if he resigned. I'll stick my neck out and say I also think they lied.

HuwOS

So, Gordon Brown is going to go.
No real shock to anyone with that but as Richard says, there is no credible coalition of everyone but the tories that can make the numbers work.
I cannot see anyway in which the tories would not be involved in the government whether on their own or with a partner or two.

Any hint yet of a con/lab pact?

DG

Congratulations on your re-election Paul!

Kay Tie

"but you know what the narratives will be and none of them will not involve the LibDems."

The state of politics means that a deal will be hated by half the Tory Party and half the Liberal Democrat Party, even though many of the policies are identical (particularly on civil liberties).

I would very much welcome Nick Clegg as Home Secretary since I am suspicious of the Tory stance on civil liberties (for sure, Cameron seems genuine on it, but the old guard most certainly retain their authoritarianism).

Richard T

The arithmetic of a non Tory coalition entails either the SNP or the DUP making up the numbers, setting aside any reservations about the other components. In the former case, it's election year in Scotland and I think no more need be said; in the latter case, I'm not sure quite how other critical partners from Northern Ireland might view the DUP's participation - unfavourably I'd guess. So whatever preference there might be for a non Tory government, this one couldn't last.

Anyway my main point is to congratulate you on your re-election - your voice will be greatly needed in the next Parliament.

HuwOS

You say, well duh Kaytie, but you know what the narratives will be and none of them will not involve the LibDems.
While they have no less responsibility to help a government form, they also have no more responsibility than any other grouping.
But the two largest parties will be given a bye on doing their share and not just by the media but almost certainly by the electorate as well.

Kay Tie

"neither are serious about or even interested in providing governance for the country"

Well duh!

HuwOS

I fail to see why so many think it is all up to the LibDem's.

If a coalition is formed or if one is not, the LibDems cannot be blamed unless and until, Labour and the Tories as the two parties with the largest numbers of seats have attempted to reach a coalition agreement between themselves first.
If they don't even try, then it should be obvious that neither are serious about or even interested in providing governance for the country and when the next election comes around, should be borne in mind.

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