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If committee members fail to improve their interrogation, nothing will be achieved through your research.

 L BN

I was interested to read the article on BBC News about people that deliver unnecessarily strong handshakes:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8485784.stm

I must say that I can only agree with your stance on these cruel people. Only last week, strangely the day before the article was published, I had the misfortune of accidentally shaking the hand of a close female friend. My hand was squeezed far too much and even my face in pain or sarcasm did not stop my friend. What is worse is that she made fun of me afterwards and shook my hand again. In my view, she should be one of the people who is the first to be charged for assault for this matter.

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I don't think the findings from the first and most recent of the studies on that list have been published yet.

HuwOS

"What about the claims of possible links between autism and mercury in vaccines?"

Almost certainly as valid as most claims that something and anything else are linked.
It's very easy to make claims unfortunately.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/VSD_Chart_of_Autism_Studies-Updated_Aug_18_09.pdf

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Recommencing last nights altercation with Huw

'There is no rational reason to believe in some cabal attempting to control the world utilising such "legitimate seeming bodies" as the WHO, the UN and the WTO.'

I agree Huw, this is in my opinion more to do with the rush to cash in whether or not it is a safe and reasonable precaution considering the dangers of using the anti-virals i.e. the development of resistant strains.

Another concern is that side effects could manifest at a later stage, and then a causal link would be hard to establish. What about the claims of possible links between autism and mercury in vaccines?

'Thimerosal has been used as a pharmaceutical preservative since the 1930s. Although the amount of mercury it contains is very small, in 1999 public health officials ordered manufacturers to phase thimerosal out of common vaccines, from hepatitis to diphtheria, as a precaution, saying small infants had begun getting so many immunizations that they might get too much of the chemical. Today it's all but gone.

There is a notable exception -- flu shots. The CDC just added influenza to the list of shots for babies, and most flu shots still contain mercury.'

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/18/health/main618142.shtml

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Congratulations to you both!

Kay Tie

(and congratulations, by the way)

Kay Tie

"..and they said it wouldn't last."

Who said that? Come on, name and shame!

HuwOS

Happy Anniversary Paul, hope you two have a wonderful day.

Paul Flynn

Huw and KayTie in harmony.

Another reason for celebrating the 31st of January 2010. The main one is that it is my wife's and my Silver Wedding Anniversary.

. ..and they said it wouldn't last.

Kay Tie

Blimey, another topsy-turvey blog post where I'm fully behind Huw.

Paul Flynn

Thanks Huw and Ad for that revealing night time discussion. Having an e-mail from Hawai tempted me to give it more credence than it deserves. The link takes us into the word of conspiracies. There are better links including those to Tom Jefferson. I had an exchange of e-mails with Ben Goldacre. He approves of Jefferson. Try his interview with Der Spiegel here.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,637119,00.html

HuwOS

Also and hardly surprising

"Israel suspended vaccines after deaths"

Yes they did, of the vaccination against seasonal flu, in 2006, to investigate the possibility of a link.
They came to the conclusion that it was highly unlikely and resumed vaccinations in a couple of days.
It had nothing to do with swine flu but gets captured out of time and context to bolster the insanity.

http://ecdpc.europa.eu/documents/pdf/ECDC_Summary_%20Risk_Assessment_Final.pdf

HuwOS

"So do you agree that this mass sale of swine flu vaccination was more to do with profit than a neccesary health precaution?"

We don't know, people suspect that it might be, which is why Paul is chairing an investigation into that.

"You decided to take offence against the only MP who has spoken out on this subject to good effect."
No I did not, Paul's take on this has so far been reasonable.
He is not suggesting that there is some hidden group controlling the UN, the WTO, WHO and "other legitimate appearing bodies"
Nor is he asking "Why would this syndicate want to hurt people? Is it for control?"
Nor is he making hay out of GSK in Canada recalling one batch of vaccine that seemed to be causing a higher than normal severe allergic reaction, 1 in 20,000 rather than 1 in 100,000. It was after all one batch, not the nature of the vaccine itself.

"So you jump on the side that says the swine flu vaccination is safe? I don't think you do."

All vaccines can have some side effects, the small risk involved compared to a severe disease threat is indeed what would be called safe. The only concern is that as this flu was not a severe threat the equation is not quite as clear cut.

"An estimated 21.6 million Europeans have been vaccinated with Pandemrix, with 8,129 adverse reactions reported through Dec. 27. Approximately 7.5 million people were vaccinated with Focetria, with 2,641 adverse reports. An estimated 260,000 patients have been vaccinated with Celvapan in the EEA, with 356 reported adverse reactions." - http://www.thelancet.com/H1N1-flu/egmn/0c03d875

"No I don't agree with all that man says as I said earlier. But I don't think the first paragraph you quote is particularly objectionable. You just cannot understand why and do not consider it. Like I say you have lost the plot here."

There is no rational reason to believe in some cabal attempting to control the world utilising such "legitimate seeming bodies" as the WHO, the UN and the WTO.
I therefore reach a conclusion as to why you would not consider such nonsense objectionable but unfortunately you do not see why your stance ensures that your opinions would thereafter carry no credibility whatsoever.

"You call me crazy Huw, you do not impress me. I think you do not know what you are talking about and quite honestly take the cowardly easy route of criticism and jeering."

Couldn't care less if I impress you or not, and while it takes no courage whatsoever to criticise and jeer, such responses are perfectly reasonable when presented with such utter flatulence.

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So do you agree that this mass sale of swine flu vaccination was more to do with profit than a neccesary health precaution?

You decided to take offence against the only MP who has spoken out on this subject to good effect. So you jump on the side that says the swine flu vaccination is safe? I don't think you do.

No I don't agree with all that man says as I said earlier. But I don't think the first paragraph you quote is particularly objectionable. You just cannot understand why and do not consider it. Like I say you have lost the plot here.

You call me crazy Huw, you do not impress me. I think you do not know what you are talking about and quite honestly take the cowardly easy route of criticism and jeering.


HuwOS

"WHO appears then to be an instrument in a broader agenda of global control by those who handle WHO, WTO, UN, and other legitimate appearing bodies."

"The vaccines have something undiscussed inside them. Most vaccines contain additives that are known to be dangerous, and in a series of shots, can effect immune system so that a trigger could disable us. Why would this syndicate want to hurt people? Is it for control?"

As long as you are being clear that the statements above are statements that you have no problem with then I don't need to call you anything, everyone will make up their own minds.

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Good grief Huw you have lost the plot somewhere.

I stand by that so call me crazy if you like it means nothing to me.

HuwOS

A contentious bit

"The vaccines have something undiscussed inside them. Most vaccines contain additives that are known to be dangerous, and in a series of shots, can effect immune system so that a trigger could disable us. Why would this syndicate want to hurt people? Is it for control?"

"My only opinion on the contentious bit is that from we have seen so far, it wouldn’t be difficult to do would it? " - Ad

Keep with the crazy it suits you.


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Do one Huw

Good grief

HuwOS

"I can barely follow"

Not utterly unexpected.

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'Oh please do point us in the direction of where we can view your prescience and those who treated you as such a cassandra.
I am particularly interested,'

Don't be foolish Huw. It was fairly obvious as a strong possibility. Nevertheless it has proved to be the case.

'as someone who can hold a widespread and highly organised conspiracy for control of the worlds population and the profit motive as being hypotheses of similar if not equal value, is surely someone we should know more about.'

rhubarb, I can barely follow

HuwOS

"And if I may be frank, it is boring "

On that at least you are correct, these conspiracy theories that the lunatic fringe adore are incredibly boring, distracting from issues of real importance and in every possible way, irritating for anyone who has any semblance of sanity either in or near their grasp.

HuwOS

Oh please do point us in the direction of where we can view your prescience and those who treated you as such a cassandra.
I am particularly interested,
as someone who can hold a widespread and highly organised conspiracy for control of the worlds population and the profit motive as being hypotheses of similar if not equal value, is surely someone we should know more about.

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'No you wouldn't'

You would Huw because that is what happened to me at the time. I was drowned out in the manner of your second paragraph. And if I may be frank, it is boring and bearly readable.

HuwOS

"If you would have said at the time of the outbreak and the WHO declaration of a level 6 pandemic that this was a stunt by vested interests for monetary gain you would have been heckled and challenged to explain how a ‘dark cabal’ could control governments and the medical authorities"

No you wouldn't, its one thing for a drug company to help to hype up the danger of an outbreak in the hope of boosting sales, even if, perhaps especially if said drug isn't that useful. It does not require any major conspiracy.

To hold a belief or argue the case for the WHO to be in cahoots with drug companies and forces within the CDC, the US government and the governments of most if not all major countries with the desire to turn the globe into a police state with everyone infected with some kind of special bug that would allow a dark cabal to disable any dissent at anytime requires someone with sufficient flexibility to thread their head through their own anus multiple times.

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If you would have said at the time of the outbreak and the WHO declaration of a level 6 pandemic that this was a stunt by vested interests for monetary gain you would have been heckled and challenged to explain how a ‘dark cabal’ could control governments and the medical authorities. But that is not how things work is it? I think recent blogs on this topic show that it is all too easily done.

I, like Paul, thought this guy made some interesting arguments. Of course I also am not saying that I lend my support to the entirety of it, but then again I do not feel that I must take up a position entirely against it. My only opinion on the contentious bit is that from we have seen so far, it wouldn’t be difficult to do would it?

HuwOS

Yeah Paul, that doesn't read like a conspiracy theorist at all.
Maybe there really is a dark cabal trying to infect everyone on the planet with something that they can trigger at some later point for some reason or other to disable us.

Good grief.

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