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April 06, 2009

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Kay Tie

"I don't see how a chief executive of a local council is in any manner accountable at present"

Indeed: not even the councillors can control them. How does voting for a councillor give an power to the voters?

"crime rates, recycling rates, absentee days by council staff to name but three"

All three of those can be gamed very easily because the people who set those targets are bored, stupid and lazy. Just look at the Home Office targets for the police: sanctioned detected crimes is one of the big ones. This leads to officers creating crimes that they can then "solve", which is why they are so keen to arrest-then-caution kids fighting in the playground. It also explains why the crime we care about - mugging, burglary, etc. - never gets a priority: it ties up too much time for too few Home Office target points.

Recycling rates is another one of the regularly gamed targets, which leads to unsorted wasted shipped to China in containers and then dumped. In any case, there's plenty of evidence that recycling emits more CO2 and costs more money. Not only a gamed target, but a counterproductive one too (in the best tradition of New Labour, no?).

Absentee days? Ah, but I bet those are gamed all the time. They probably get to be classified as "working at home" days, or "ad hoc self-certified training" days. Most of the civil service operates on retrospective sick days (i.e. if you were on holiday and fell sick you can retrospectively cancel those as holiday days). Expect a lot more retrospective home training days..

" I'd actually go further and say that less the government interferes with idiotic targets and unqualified 'managers', the happier everyone will be."

Except for the Guardianistas, who would have nothing to do. Some people are never happy.

Government everywhere is awful at doing things. This is self-evident, and even Guardianistas would agree. Why they can never make the leap to "well we should have less of it then" I simply do not understand. They bang on about "fairness" and "poverty" and never think that these things can be addressed by other means that do not involve government (for example, a citizens basic income can provide an alternative to the means-tested welfare state, helping poor people out of their poverty).

greg

Kay Tie - you've no argument from me!

I don't see how a chief executive of a local council is in any manner accountable at present; however I could think of several ways I could happily impose targets on individuals in that sort of position - crime rates, recycling rates, absentee days by council staff to name but three. I'm sure you'd see the 800 100K+ earners decimated pdq.

As for healthcare - couldn't agree more. As someone working in healthcare, the day I escaped the NHS was day I started enjoying my profession again. I'd actually go further and say that less the government interferes with idiotic targets and unqualified 'managers', the happier everyone will be.

P.J. O'Rourke talked about a 'dictatorship of boredom' - a ruinously expensive public sector legislating the life out of society, and I honestly feel this the situation the UK has arrived at in the past decade or so.


Kay Tie

"Maybe performance-related pay rather than the gulags, Kay Tie? They'd probably eat better if they chose the latter, because I think minimum wage is over-reaching for certain individuals."

And how do you measure performance in the public sector? Why, our old friend, targets. That led directly to people being killed in the Stafford NHS trust. No, I don't think performance-related pay will do the job.

The only thing that keeps anyone in line is democracy. For most companies in the private sector, it's an election every single day. When you decide to shop at Tesco instead of Asda, you're voting. When you buy Fairtrade coffee instead of regular coffee, you're voting. We need to extend this to the public sector and give us the power to vote: vote out the venal Chief Exec, fire the target-driven Chief Constable, say no to the bin police.

greg

Maybe performance-related pay rather than the gulags, Kay Tie? They'd probably eat better if they chose the latter, because I think minimum wage is over-reaching for certain individuals.

Kay Tie

"to be put on the minimum wage until the country can afford any more."

You've got to laugh at lefties, haven't you? One minute they are bleating about how the public sector is so much more moral than the immoral free market, and the next they are demanding their apparatchiks to be yanked off to the Lubyanka.

greg

I'm amazed there hasn't been more interest in the 800 local government employees on 100K a year or more - it strikes me as more of a outrage than MP's salaries and expenses.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583136/Over-800-council-staff-earn-100000-a-year.html

How exactly administrators in fairly staid and low-risk organisations that empty bins twice a month (if you're lucky) can compare themselves to CEO's of private companies with a straight face is beyond me.


patrick

PF
I see Darling has announced " a squeeze on public spending".
As the country is in debt to 39 Billion Pounds perhaps it's as good a time as any for all council chiefs, MPS , the 'TOP' wow 195 civil servants etc to be put on the minimum wage until the country can afford any more.

Paul Flynn

'Don't know ' is the answer to DG. Some obscure parliamentary sub-committee may have made upo the rules. I cannot recall any of them being approved in the past as a result of a parliamentary vote - until very recently

Paul Flynn

Thanks Jeff Jones. It's open season against MPs by those fine upstanding virtuous paragons - the journalists.

I must confess that my select committee PASC is off on a jaunt in two weeks. It will be to Newport and Cardiff. Cannot get more exotic than that.

We also interviewed a witness last month by satellite link from America. It worked well.

Paul Flynn

That's strong stuff Patrick. There is more than a grain of truth in it. Having worked until my mid fifties in low paid jobs on shiftwork, I can assure you that I am still well grounded in working class values.

DG

I'm probably missing something, not being involved in politics, but can anyone explain to me how these expenses ever got approved in the first place? Does the Central Office (or whoever) just sign them off blindly?

Jeff Jones

Reading today's Evening Standard on the web which concentrates this time on the foreign travel of select committees it seems that the drip feed will continue until urgent reform is introduced.As a democrat I was frankly shocked and worried when I read Jackie Ashley's article yesterday and the comment from an unnamed senior cabinet minister that some MPs might have to resign when their expenses are published. Before Parliament rises for the summer some sort of reform must be introduced for the sake of democracy in this country. The anti politics mood abroad at the moment should worry any democrat whatever their political persuasion.Only extremists on both the right and the left of the political spectrum have an interest in not reforming as a matter of urgency the present expenses system . Having looked at the BBC website story on Europe's MPs'pay packages it seems that once again we in the Labour Party can learn a great deal from our colleagues in the Swedish Social Democrats.

patrick

The Country needs a total overhaul of not just the sleezeridden house but the entire fiasco of public sector pay.
The liam donaldsons with pensions weighing in the millions. The 195 'servants' earning more than the PM.
Is it not an irony that the party voted in starring a grinning chimp ' things can only get better' in '97 then brought us the delights of tuition fees, illegal wars and the 10p , just to mention three?
Labour have lost the desire to fight for the low earners because they have no connection with them.
What chance is there for a Labour MP who's children are in private education, who dines at top venues , stays in hotels with stars , has many outside interests , losing any sleep about tuition fees that only affect poor people.
Labour = Lost Plot!

Kay Tie

Very interesting post. I'm glad you've woken up to the threat to democracy itself - the Germans actively threw away their freedom in 1933. I hear stories of massive support for the BNP just under the surface. We are living in interesting times and I'm starting not to like them very much.

Very interesting too the words about the Severn tunnel. If you hear more on this please relay.

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