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February 27, 2009


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Graham Marlowe

I can imagine! He is a young(ish) man in a hurry, leaping about in all directions and going nowhere (with any luck)

One of Liam Byrne's Civil Servants

"PASC was left reeling by the Liam Byrne experience. How do his civil servants cope?"

With difficulty.

Graham Marlowe

I had to endure Mr Kyle in a hosptal waiting room once. He managed to make an hour seem like a whole day. Believe me, a police officer is far more useful - and you never know, one day you may need one if you're in trouble.

Kay Tie

Jeremy Kyle or the police? Hmmmn. I rarely encounter either, but according to the niece of the Duchess of Longford (Harriet Harman) we don't need laws now - only the court of public opinion - and so the police are redundant. Logically it's Jeremy Kyle who is more useful.

Graham Marlowe

Well, Kay Tie: You can't blame the police for enforcing the laws put upon them by an authortarian government who seem to think we need checking up on: they are only enacting the laws that Parliament makes. You can blame a succession of right-wing bigots who have been our Home Secretary in recent years.

On the whole, though some coppers are officious, on the whole they do more useful work than Ffred Goodwin, Peter Mandelson and those involved in the "media".

Who is more useful: the average police officer or Jeremy Kyle?

Kay Tie

Next time you read if a bishop arrested and assualted by police for photographing his child, or children threatened with arrest for drawing a hopscotch grid, you might want to rethink the idea that a P.C. is necessarily doing a useful job. In my view, a large number are tearing apart society every bit as much as errant bankers.

Graham Marlowe

I know other work is going on Paul, but what is worrying is that so many MPs do not listen to the debates in the House - yet vote on important matters that affect us all, usually on party lines, and not because they have listened to the evidence and made up their own minds. I know that suits people like (for example, in the past) Clive Soley, who would have voted for slaughter of the first born if "Tony" had wanted it.

On The Week In Westminster yesterday, for example I heard the oleaginious Barry Gardner, a bag carrier for Mandelson, for example, discussing with Linsey Hoyle the Mandy part-privatisation of Royal Mail: he didn't come out with one original or compelling argument: you could hear he was merely repeating what his master has said in previous interviews. Quite clearly a man who doesn't listen to argument and has no mind of his own. Oily-voiuced though he was, Gardner just demonstrated the poverty of his imagination.

I don't blame Labour for this alone - the Tories are just as bad - that idiotic "didn't fix the roof while the sun was shining" soundbite is on so many mouths, it just shows how lazy they are.

Paul Flynn

Don't be deceived by the empty benches. There are dozens of other things going on in parliament - including committees of all kinds.

I sometimes go days without entering the chamber but I am booked with meeting from 9.00 to 7.00.

Graham Marlowe

Is there a degree of snobbery here at work, I wonder. Much is made of the fact that Mr Davies is a "P.C.". Perhaps had he been a Chief Constable?.....

At least he is doing a useful job, and not destroying a bank and then getting richly rewarded for it.

Or been a pen-pusher in Brussells and then come back to this country to pretend to be a "business minister".

I have no love of the Tories, but perhaps this man doesn't find it so easy to get away as others would?

It would be interesting to know the attendence record of Westminster MPs - apart from the Gordon & Dave Show on Wednesdays, where everyone turns up to be in the studio audience, the benches are quite empty quite often at other times.

Paul Flynn

No Graham, he is far more than a 'yes man'. When you have threes brains working simultaneously, it's yes, maybe and no.

He is full of bright ideas. He is keen on fresh ideas but he certainly not the nodding dog new Labour. He creates
his own policies and presents them rationally.

Paul Flynn

Not brilliant for Labour but hey did turn up four times as often as Constable davies.


Not exactly a scintillating record for the Labour members either. In fact, the only member of any party who turned up more often than David Jones was Hywel Francis, and, as chair, he's paid extra to be there!

Graham Marlowe

Surely the sober truth is that Byrne is such a "yes-man", so anxious to toe the party line, to stay "on-message" that, in the end, he just comes out with verbose nonsense that means nothing. He probably doesn't even know what he is talking about himself. Perhaps he needs a meeting with the Plain English Society. Urgently.

Quite frankly when I see some of these young fogeys described as "up and coming" it makes you fear for the future of the Labour party.

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