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June 24, 2008


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Paul Flynn

Thank you Adam Johannes. There are been many similar reports in past demonstrations. This one is new to me but it has a greal deal of persuasive detail


I do not know how you have reached your conclusions Brian Barker. I am the only person even to address the Council of Europe in Welsh and the only honour I have ever received ( the only one I will accept) was to services to the 'Welsh language.'

ButI am dealing about the realty from a report in a French Language newspaper who are horrified at the spread of the use of English in the heart of France. The subject of the speech I made in Welsh in Strasbourg was about the withdrawal of French Government support for Breton language schools.

The support of ONLY eight MPs for Esperanto is not evidence of strong support. There are 650 of us.

Brian Barker

So you believe in linguistic discrimination against minority languages by dominant languages like English and Spanish?

And please don't use ignorance of Esperanto to promote linguistic imperialism.

What about Welsh and its right to respect at an international level? I'm afraid that such imperialism, as seen by non-English speakers, is unethical.

Although in the long-term English is not a practical proposition, a solution must be found, as English is only used at the moment by an educational and political elite.

Can I ask you to view, without prejudice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YHALnLV9XU

Adam Johannes

Dear Mr Flynn,

You may find this interesting.

As you may be aware the police were extremely heavy handed at a demonstration against the recently visit of George Bush, according to many mainstream media repeatedly laying into unarmed protestors with truncheons, leaading to several young people being photographed with blood pouring from their heads. But new evidence has come to light of Police disguised as demonstrators inciting violence according to a journalist from the Daily Mail:

"My puzzlement grew. This chap wasn't really the sort you'd expect to see shouting abuse at police officers at an anti-war demo. He was, after all, a policeman himself - and a high-ranking one at that."


Funny story from the Daily Mail about a policeman disguised as a demonstrator repeatedly provoking the police at a demonstration, this kind of shit has been going on for years, but this is one of the few times that mainstream media have reported it.

George Galloway MP who was standing next to the guy writes in a letter to the home secretary:

"I can now confirm that this man was Chris Dreyfus, an inspector in the police.

This man, to my direct knowledge, committed four criminal offences during the 30 minutes or so he stood next to me.

First, he repeatedly chanted the arcane, antiquated Americana, “Kill the pigs!” This is a clear incitement to violence, indeed murder. If a Muslim demonstrator had been chanting it, say, outside the Danish Embassy, he would likely now be in prison.

Secondly, he repeatedly (crushing me in the process) attempted to charge the crush barriers and the police line behind them.

Thirdly, he repeatedly exhorted others so to do.

Fourthly, he instructed a young demonstrator on the correct way to uncouple a crush barrier, which was successfully achieved and was subsequently thrown at the police, and was presumably one of the justifications for the deployment of a riot squad which eventually waded in to the protesters."



Thanks both. Unfortunately, Esperanto has made very little headway, although the idea is attractive the number of speakers is still tiny. Whether we like it or not, English and Spanish have made great strides forward. In just the past ten years, in the international meetings that I attend, French has lost a great deal of ground to the advantgae of English.

Esperanto has been around for a long time. If it was to be taken out internationally it would have made it by now.

Bill Chapman

There's nothing wrong with English or Welsh, both of which I speak, but I too favour Esperanto for international use.

Brian Barker

Did you not know, Paul, that eight British MP's have nominated Esperanto for the Nobel Peace Prize 2008.

Promulgation of English is unethical on grounds of "linguistic imperialism"

On the 12th June the Polish Parliament voted unanimously in favour of Esperanto being granted the Nobel Peace Prize as well!


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