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April 21, 2008


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Jolly well pissed off Roger

The 'jag' is in the lower case.
It's not the Skoda that you efface.
It's unrestrained activity or emotion.
I wonder where you got that Jag notion.
Nevertheless my holiday's gone.
And at the risk of keeping on,
Wish you to know that my loss is now.
Whilst Darling milks the Public Cow.

Jam tomorrow's no use to me.
I'll have to see what's cheap for tea.
Of course, that's none of your concern,
Considering the wages that MPs earn.
The cost of food, heat and fuel just rockets,
Whilst Darling continues to empty our pockets.
He's blundered big-time with this move,
Which May's elections will surely prove.

Paul Flynn

Observer, there is a campaign by the Tories to claim how much each low paid job has lost. This is as alarming as the Sun claim that Labour would charge everyone an extra £1,000 in tax. This put the wind up the nation - including millions who paid no tax at all.

Yes I believe that some who are complaining will discover that they are not losers when their monthly pay check arrive. Of course, many others will lose.

Paul Flynn

Nick Meakin, that's a horrible conclusion you have reached.

Yes there have been disappointments.In 1996, I said we would win the election and lose the party. That has almost become true.

But work out where pensioners would be if the Tories had been in power since 1997, basic pensions would be less than now, no pension credit, no winter fuel allowances, no free telly licences and a lot else. The Tories 'cut' the basic pension in 17 of their 18 years in power. Disappointing? Yes. But as bad as Tories????...Never.

Paul Flynn

Sorry I have been out of action all day - reading the comments on my Blackberry. Thanks to rwandland for a fair assessment and for less-than-jollyroger. Saying there were good things in the Budget is not audible at the moment because of the disbelief about the 10p tax.. The sense of betrayal and outrgae runs deeps - and understandably so.

My 'holiday jag' Jolly Roger is a 7 year old Skoda with 135,000 miles on the clock.

Jolly well pissed off Roger

Having just received my Notice of Pension,
There's just one thing that needs a mention.
My Tax has doubled, that's no lie,
As I continually struggle, just to get by.
I had been saving for a weekend break,
But that's now a break that I just can't take.
Darling seems to need it more.
To fill Labour's ever gaping maw.

As a member of the 'untermensch',
I'm not suprised at this latest stench,
Of Labour at it's absolute worst.
We truly are NuLabour cursed.
Their cowardly attack is on the weakest.
Their Earth is not for inheritance by the meekest.
In May's elections, I hope they lose,
By the lack of votes from those they abuse.

I appreciate your principled stand,
But it hardly helps with cash in hand.
All that I hear is "Jam tomorrow",
This helps me little with my holiday-less sorrow.
So next time you're off on your holiday jag.
Is there any chance that I can carry your bag?
That's just about all that's left to me.
I'll just help to pay for your holiday spree.


rwendland, the problem and the unfairness is that already poorly paid people, who just happen to be single and/or without children, are being made poorer at a stroke by this change.
Nobody minds children and families being helped but penalising single, childless people (whilst the very richest and those who don't need extra help benefit) is simply a step too far.


I find this 10p change a difficult one, because at the same time child tax credits are going up by a big step. I don't agree with removing the 10p band, but I think the effects have often been overstated.

For example I think you are wrong in saying "impoverishing low income families" above. Child Tax Credit has been increased well above the rate of inflation. By my calculation the per-child element has been increased by 13% (£1,845 to £2,085), and the deduction income threshold has been increased by 23% (£5,220 to £6,420). So I'd guess that no 2 child family (and few if any 1 child families) would lose out overall provided they claim the tax credits they are entitled to, and in fact most low paid families will be quite a lot better off.

Single people and childless couples (below 65) seem to be taking most of the hit, and families with school age children and 65+ pensioners are benefiting in general. I don't think that part of the change is so terrible. Not so sure about benefiting mid-income folk with the 22% to 20% change though.

It would help in working this out if the DWP had produced the 2008 Tax Benefit Model Tables by now, as it would be easy to compare the situation for many sample families:


Sorry that this is a rare occassion that I'm not sure that I back your position on a policy.

Bedd Gelert

Don't capitulate !!

If they win the vote, fixing the problem will be ignored for a few more months, and a solution will be kicked into the long grass.

Only the bad headlines [albeit only for a day] will make the Government realise that this is a 'thus far, and no further' moment.

This is the only language that they have ever understood - a rebellion where the majority is merely reduced will be a damp squib which makes no headlines whatsoever.


The 10p change is indeed a strange direction for a Labour government to take with its natural voter constituency, and one that is hard to justify by the standards of any political creed.
As for the M.P. who tries to claim the effect is much exaggerated / misunderstood, let him take a look at the BBC's Have Your Say website on this issue. Read the despair of over 5000 (!) respondents
That's some reaction.

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