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January 23, 2008

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Hen Ferchetan

While Praguetory lacks the simple skills of intelligent debate, he is right about one thing. hain is guilty.

Yes we have "innocent until proven guilty", and thank god for that, but there is no defence to the law Hain has breached. The law is clear, if you stand for an internal election and receive donations, you have to register them within 30 days. If you don't you commit a criminal offence.

As far as investigating the offence goes, that's it. The penlaty will be minimal to non-existant since it's a technical crime that requires no mens rea. But the simple fact remains that Hain is guilty of a criminal offence.

Tony

I'm confused - yes , Peter Hain had broken the law but I still thought you were innocent until proved guilty - or is the Home Secretary getting rid of that stumbing block as well ? I think she would do well to ensure the laws we have now are enforced - never mind coming up more wizard wheezes..

Tony

I'm confused - yes , Peter Hain had broken the law but I still thought you were innocent until proved guilty - or is the Home Secretary getting rid of that stumbing block as well ? I think she would do well to ensure the laws we have now are enforced - never mind coming up more wizard wheezes..

paulflynn

Again you are jumping the gun. He has been reported to the police. We have a sentimental tradition in this country that the trial should come before the verdict. The view of the tabloid media is that all politicians are innocent until they are proved to be Labour.

Try not to get too triumphant. Peter Mandelson once resigned. The subsequent investigation found he had no connection with the alleged scandal. That was another vindictive witch hunt where the media demanded a scalp before an investigation.

Praguetory

'Peter Hain is a decent, able politician of integrity who declared legal donations late'

No. He failed to declare 17 separate donations totalling in excess of £100k. More or less 6 months later this omission was uncovered by the media. Mr Hain then took about 6 weeks to prepare a full list. Amongst the unrecorded donations were several senior Labour advisors, a South African nationalist, a former Tory donor, many Hain-endorsed companies linked and a slush fund poorly dressed up as a think tank. Nothing new emerged today. He should have gone earlier when the writing was on the wall. Apologists such as yourself did not help him or your government - you have merely dragged things out.

paulflynn

Is that your idea of an intelligent comment, Praguetory?

The cabinet has lost the lone voice that won justice for 140,000 cheated pensioners and the strong voice for clean renewable energy especially tidal power.

Peter Hain is a decent, able politician of integrity who declared legal donations late. David Cameron accepted illegal donations. Lib-dems accepted money that was probably stolen by a man who is now in Prison. Plaid Cymru used taxpayers money to fund an election. When are they being probed? British politics is not corrupt or sleaze-ridden and these vindicative nasty witch-hunts drag down the reputation of what is among the lease corrupt in the world..

Praguetory

Off topic - Hain is gone. haha.

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