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June 22, 2007

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Paul Flynn

My original replies to Oliver and Ed were written on a French typewriter from Strasbourg in difficult circumstances.

The view of LibDem clean hands is not a convincing one in my experince. I get on well with Andrew George and Mike Hancock and I count them as close political friends. But the LibDems do get up to snide dirty tricks as in the yellow peril in the general election of 1987 in Newport.

The main choice in the 1983 Newport Labour selection was between Brian Davies, Lloyd Turnbull, and some other councillors. He was selected about 5 weeks before the election and was never warmly accepted by Newport West Labour Party. I was living in Newport East at the time and I did not seek nomination, as far as I remember

I am not miffed in any way by criticsim and I welcome it. My website has been running for 7 years. But the daily blog is an experiment that started in mid-April. The numbers reading it have astonished me. I hope to continue on a daily basis.

Thanks for your continued interest.

Paul Flynn

No.No. All are welcome to the blog. But is far from being tribal or partzan.

It is intended to reflect the truth of politics - including its cruelty. The insights into the minds of the Assemby leaders, et al was strictly non-partisan.

I was not involved in the Brian Davies selection

Ed Townsend

Miaow, Paul.
Looks like Oliver struck a nerve of some sort in the Old... New... Labour... (how DO we describe you now?) warhorse.
Roughly translated, I guess you mean, ‘if you don’t agree with me, don’t bother reading what I have to say. Fellow travellers only need log in’.
Yes, your blog is mildly entertaining, but it’s not actually as hot as you think it is.
Nevertheless, it’s a good read but surely you’re big enough to take a bit of criticism from time to time? You dish it out sharply enough.
By the way, following your note about standing with Blair for selection in Gloucester, I am reminded that Brian Davies, later Oldham MP, now Lord Davies of that town and Lords whip, had the somewhat dubious honour of losing Newport West to the Tories when the seat first split. Were you in for that selection, or was 1987 your first selection in Newport?
I ask purely out of interest and with no motive other than to fill in one of the gaps in my knowledge of the political history of Newport. I have met Brian Davies and found him a charming man and entertaining company, just like the present MP for Newport West.

Paul Flynn

Thanks for your comment. Even though it's sour and humourless, it makes a currently fshionable point on PC that would deprive all comments of this kind of their colour, humour and bite;

Perhaps to set this in context if I tell you that I am seven years older than Ming.

The item is an attempt at guessing the thoughts of Ming; His portrayal by cartoonists et al has been of a man who is older than his years; Rightly or wrongly that is the reality of the perception.

It's also his perception His excessive running and jumping about prove this. I am trying to present political truths. Perhaps you would like to tell me what your perception is of what is going on in the mind of ming is; i '' happilly put on the blog.

This blog is rapidly gaining wide readership because it attempts to offer unique insights. There are hundreds of duller political blogs that may suit you;

Best

Paul Flynn

Paul Flynn

Thanks for your comment. Even though it's sour and humourless, it makes a currently fshionable point on PC that would deprive all comments of this kind of their colour, humour and bite;

Perhaps to set this in context if I tell you that I am seven years older than Ming.

The item is an attempt at guessing the thoughts of Ming; His portrayal by cartoonists et al has been of a man who is older than his years; Rightly or wrongly that is the reality of the perception.

It's also his perception His excessive running and jumping about prove this. I am trying to present political truths. Perhaps you would like to tell me what your perception is of what is going on in the mind of ming is; i '' happilly put on the blog.

This blog is rapidly gaining wide readership because it attempts to offer unique insights. There are hundreds of duller political blogs that may suit you;

Best

Paul Flynn

Oliver

Its fascinating to see what a member of the Labour Party, even a supposed "rebel" has become. The party of social equality has become the party that ridicules a leader simply because he happens to be old.

Quite frankly, Mr Flynn, I'm disgusted that someone standing as a New Labour MP (I won't dignify you with the moniker "socialist"), in a party which has removed all its morals except a (supposed) commitment to equality, can post a piece on this site that does not attack the Liberal Democrats on our policy, but rather with snide, backhanded comments about a man who just happens to be fairly old.

I'd also like the opportunity to give a sudden insight into the mind of Paul Flynn, our "honourable", ageist MP for Newport West (you will most likely note that I've used the basic premise for your flawed criticism of Menzies):

"It was good-bye to Labour's years in the wilderness. I had accepted Tony's offer. I basked in anticipation of a taste of power and high status. Real politics not fantasy ones. Implementing Conservative policy, not Labour policy. Putting spin at the centre of politics. An attentive House hanging on every word. No more bleak years stuck clinging to a socialist manifesto that our beloved Tony told us we couldn't cling to anymore. It was a simple choice: lose our principles and gain power, or lose power and gain principles. Speaking as a (New) Labour MP, it should be obvious what choice I made."

Yes, I admit to being a Liberal Democrat. Yes, I admit to a slight exagerration of your own "lack of ideals", considering you have raised some meek, half-hearted rebellions against the strident iron fist of New Labour rule.

But please, Mr Flynn, next time if you want to discriminate against someone merely because they happen to be older than your spin-deluded Tony, don't. You wouldn't get away with even the (supposedly subtle) jibes written here if Menzies happened to be black, Asian, gay, disabled, or a woman (though I notice you have placed a picture of Menzies with a zimmer, on your blog - are you reflecting the view that someone who needs a zimmer is somehow less able than someone who does not?).

Really, I don't mind criticisms based on policy. At least then we can engage in sensible discussions which might result in beneficial outcomes. Your apparently wonderful "insight" into the mind of the Liberal Democrat leader instead reveals the increasingly delusional attitude that the Labour Party has towards anyone who opposes them. "Oh, he doesn't want to join our Cabinet? He must be foolish!"

No, Mr Flynn, we (unlike the Labour Party of old) didn't choose to rush to the embrace of a falsely socialist, failed Government responsible for widening the gap between rich and poor, sending troops to fight in an illegal war and other unforgiveable crimes (not least of which removes the right of the British people to protect outside their own Parliament).

It would be nice if there was some response, or even an apology of sorts, but I don't hold my breath.

Oliver, Liberal Democrat
(wotenator@googlemail.com)

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