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July 04, 2014

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Andrew Chandler

Paul,

I think Anglo-Norman would be a better term here, as Magna Carta was basically a document confirming the power of the barons, including those controlling large parts of Wales and the borders, and Scotland. One of those present at Runnymede was Scottish. Compared with the Welsh at this time, the 'English' had been completelz dispossessed, and their system of law replaced. Also, Hywel Dda ruled over the Deheubarth only, not the whole of Wales.

Paul Flynn

Thanks. Thats instructive. You are not the Peter Bradley the former MP ?

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Peter Bradley

Although I agree with what you say about the equivalence of a royal and a vagrant body part, it has to be pointed out that there were two parts to the compensation system. The first part you refer to and then the additional 'sarhad'. You would pay a king a lot more than you would pay a commoner for his 'sarhad'. If I remember correctly from my reading of David Jenkins, 'Cyfreithiau Hywel', many years ago.

Adrian Price

It should be noted that the Laws of Hywel Dda contiuned in use in Wales up to the Laws in Wales Acts of 1536-43 and not just in the tenth century.

Ad

Thanks Donald. I agree the aspirations of the millions trapped in poverty and unemployment are ignored when they should be the top priority.

As for Judeo-Christian values I tend to agree. There are plenty who soil it though. e.g those who are judgemental to unmarried mothers or same sex unions. It isn't some blanket panacea though I wish it were.

As for 'mass immigration'. I admit I have a poor grasp there. I feel deep down that it is a red herring in that we are ruled under a corrupt elite who are self-serving. Economic reality shows it can only be a side issue or symptom rather than the root of the problem. Its dangerous to turn against immigrants, though I'm not implying you have, I'm just speaking generally. Wasn't Jesus an immigrant into Egypt and Galile?

Donald Grewar

I also believe that mass immigration to parts of Britain has driven down the wages of the poor and vulnerable.
A recent report by the Migration Advisory Committee said some areas of the country are 'struggling to cope' with high levels of immigration.

Donald Grewar

Well said Ad...I too can not disagree. Rather than attacking the vulnerable..we should be encouraging an aspirational ethos's which in turn creates wealth and civic pride. I also believe we should revive our Judeo-Christian values

Paul Flynn

Thanks. Can't disagree with any of that.
The blog was written by a member of my staff. On Thursday next, a new Magna Carta is to be published by Political & Constitutional Reform Select Committee.

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I wish we had leaders with such foresight and sensible grasp of universal justice to be remembered as 'the good'.

Thatcher and Blair 'the bad' would have a ring to it and may make some of these 'warriors' pause for thought. When was the last time any leader inspirited the public towards helping the poorest as Hywel did? Selfish politicians serving up a selfish politics.

Its written all over their faces and they are caught red-handed in attacking those who rely on welfare and trying to destroy the public property of the majority. Our ancestors fought for so much. Are we to let third rate PR men 'manage' away all our rights for an extreme right wing economic ideology which falsely positions itself as the centre ground?

Can't remember the last time I was encouraged by mainstream politics and I'm not surprised. Those that should be called in a thousand years 'the bad' hold the world in their hand. They would smother the truth if we let them.

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