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It is clear which side has been acting provocatively. These acts of terrorism have beeng going on with American support since the Bush Administration.

It seems like there is indeed a push for war. No doubt the obscene riches which will be accumulated by some are a driving force. I expect the lies will flow expertly and catch up enough believers just as they did with the Iraq war.

There is little information about the effect which the unjust sanctions on Iran are having. If they are working they will be making life harder for millions and probably causing many deaths as they did for Iraq.

It seems like the USA is trying to provoke Iran into carrying out an ambush against its forces. Clearly there are violent plots being carried out by the CIA and Mossad.

Miss Represented

Wow! Can't understand why the People's Mujahedin of Iran (MEK) would be so upset at that nice President Ahmedinejhad after he's been so kind to them over all these years.

Well, tbh Paul, I wouldn't know for sure whether it's the CID or the Assad or even the Clingons to blame 4 sure but at least it wasn't us gays - as His Madge the Prez says, of course, there aren't any gay people in Iran; well none of us live 'uns anyway.

Oh well, at least you peace loving Brits won't be aligning yourselves with those mean, warmongering Yanks 'cos your troops are too busy with that thar lil ol' 'training exercise' in the Falklands, right? Or was it the Malvinas?

Anyways, *Pax Britannica* an' all that. Chill.

DG

And I'm sure the People's Mujahedin of Iran are just falling over themselves to usher in a gay-friendly liberal democracy, just like we got in Afghanistan once the Osama bin Taliban had his ass kicked by the World Police.

Gerald

"the terrorist organisation the People's Mujahedin of Iran (MEK)"

Paul as the PMOI are not regarded as a terrorist group in the UK since a Court decision and they were subsequently taken off the list of terrorist organisations by the EU, why do you regard them as a terrorist orgnisation?

DG

Cos they're executing civilians sounds like a good enough starter for 10 ...

Gerald

"Cos they're executing civilians sounds like a good enough starter for 10 ..."

Really DG and your evidence for this is an allegation by the Iranian Government and an unsubstantiated report on American TV.

Next you'll be quoting the Horoscope as a reliable source, or the 'tooth fairy'

Paul Flynn

these are murky waters Gerald. My own experience is that this group has some very suspect friends. When they made a presentation in Strasbourg their advisers were not Iranian. They were Israelis. The unanswered question is was LIAM FOX, advised by neocon funded Werritty, running an off piste foreign policy that is leading us to another avoidable war.

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Sy Hersh claimed that Jundallah where receiving US support under a covert program to fund dissident groups in Iran.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh

Gerald

Paul the only contact that I have had with PMOI is with those supporters living in Newport and other parts of South East Wales.
Certainly not Neo-Cons. Indeed while I dislike labels if I had to use one it would be to describe them as Marxists and certainly on the left.
A lot of them were opposed to the Shah as much as they are to the current gang of religious fanatics running Iran.

Paul Flynn

They are a persistent and well funded lobby. in Iraq and Afghanistan we have sacrificed a vast amount of blood and treasure to replace old rotten governments with new rotten governments. I am deeply suspicious about the motives of those who urge war with Iran. Five years we were told that Poland and the Czech Republic needed missile sites to protect against Iranian missiles. There was as much truth in that as there is in the new claimed threat that the UK is at risk from Iranian missiles.

DG

Seems to me that a group that needs to look abroad for help in achieving its political aims can't enjoy much support at home.

Gerald

"Seems to me that a group that needs to look abroad for help in achieving its political aims can't enjoy much support at home."

DG that is the same kind of fatuous remark I can remember being said about Nelson Mandela and the ANC in the 60s,70s, 80s and 90s. In fact I can also remember Nelson Mandela being branded a terrorist by a Prime Minister of this country.
Before you make silly remarks like that I suggest you look at the long history of National Liberation movements who have had to seek assistance from abroad including seeking refuge in other countries.

DG

"Marxism, certainly on the left" is hardly a good comparison to the South African civil rights movement. In South Africa, there were very clearly defined groups with clearly defined interests and goals. The same can't be said of a complex, mature country like Iran.

For example, Marxists, as I understand it, generally enjoy the support of the poor and the working class, whose interests they represent. But according to the BBC, much of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's support comes from "poorer and more religious sections of Iran's rapidly growing population". How will your Marxist friends be able to gain that support if they're seen to have colluded with a foreign power like Israel in overthrowing the poorer people's choice of president?

More to the point, what possible good could Britain do by poking its nose into such a hornet's nest?

DG

I don't know anything about Danish WW2 freedom fighters so can't comment, but I don't accept that killing civilians is a necessary evil in any circumstances.

Confused by your comments about my supposed preconceptions about the Iranian people - my prejudices are against violence towards civilians, not a particular nationality. And am unimpressed by the "two thirds of the leadership are women" argument, what the heck is that supposed to prove?

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