Undermining Governments

The scales have fallen from the eyes of the self-righteous. 

A Lib-Dem spokeswomen on breakfast television today announced that the Daily Telegraph has a ‘political agenda’. How perceptive.

Until now she has failed to notice the absence of a Telegraph headline saying, ‘Up your wisteria, Mr. Cameron’ or ‘Why Housing Benefit for Tory millionaires Osborne and Cameron?’ – after the two claimed ALL their second home allowances in interest payments. The absence of attacks on Laws and Hamilton months ago might have raised some questions.

If the LibDems had been paying attention they might have spotted that ALL the MPs mentioned in the first three days of the paper's campaign were Labour on the basis that 

'All MPs are presumed to be innocent until they are proved to be Labour.' 

Many of those accused in the first tranche of the paper's campaign were maligned unfairly. One was accused of buying a chocolate Father Christmas (untrue) another for buying a boiler to replace a dangerous 40 year old one and a third for buying a TV in Cardiff not in London where it was poorer value. All that mud sticks even though it was based on malicious misrepresentations. Of course the worst offenders discovered appear to be Labour MPs. The law will judge that.  But was the Telegraph guilty of missing other anomalies because of their political myopia.

 

The Telegraph now loathes the coalition. They are trawling through the expenses claims again to destroy it. Why were their accusations against David Laws and his replacement not headlined previously? Simply because their political agenda was to associate the expenses scandal with Labour and bring down the government.

Their agenda has not changed just the Government. Simple really.

Behind you

Attack is easier than defence as David Cameron will discover at his first question time today. Who are the opposition in parliament?  A lively resourceful Tory backbencher told me yesterday that he regards himself as an an opposition MP. LibDem MPs who have been denied jobs are also opposed to the coalition. They are determined to stress their independence from Government.

Cameron may have a hard time today - from the voices behind him. 

Israel 

 The Following Early day Motion will be tabled tomorrow by Richard Burden and several others. It expresses the view of many MPs.

"That this House is appalled by the loss of life associated with Israel’s attack on the flotilla of ships carrying humanitarian aid to Gaza; notes that the attack took place in international waters and demands the release of UK nationals and others being held by Israel; endorses the call of the United Nations Secretary General for a prompt, impartial, credible and transparent investigation conforming to international standards; recognises that Israel’s blockade has destroyed the economy of Gaza, deepens poverty, inflicts widespread suffering and which, by imposing collective punishment on the people of Gaza, is itself contrary to international law; therefore calls on the international community to require Israel to end its blockade and to redouble international efforts to secure a lasting settlement with a secure and independent state of Palestine alongside a secure and independent Israel."

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

[HuwOS]

Sod it, no one is going to hold Israel to account, no point in pretending otherwise.

[HuwOS]

Decent comments from Mark Steel here

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mark-steel/-1988684.html

[HuwOS]

and from the indispensable Robert Fisk

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-western-leaders-are-too-cowardly--to-help-save-lives-1987989.html

[HuwOS]

Curious how what happened is.
Heavily armed pirates boarded a ship in international waters and though the crew and passengers attempted to prevent them doing so, they were overwhelmed by the pirates and nine of their number were killed.
The pirates then proceeded to take all the passengers and crew hostage.
They have been releasing them in dribs and drabs since but for some reason, the state that controls these pirates is able to get away with 1 committing these crimes 2 with using legitimate sounding terms like "deporting foreign activists" to replace the more accurate "releasing some of our hostages"
We surely should wonder why these pirates' preferred terminology is used by reporting outlets like the BBC, CNN et al., I'm sure the Somali pirates would like to determine what words are used to describe them and their actions, but for some reason we don't apparently feel that we should.

Wonder what a Somali pirate story would look like
"Somali pirates today interdicted a ship travelling through Somali controlled waters without proper documentation.
The passengers and crew are currently being held until the necessary documentation fees are paid.
A spokesman for the Somali pirates today said they are fed up with the reaction from certain countries which refuse to acknowledge their right to control shipping in their waters and further went on to state that the UN and everybody else are biased against them and that they are only doing what is necessary to survive"

[dave]

i think israel was justified in doing as it did.
the uk navy boards ships in international waters and will fire on the crew and ship if attacked whilst boarding.
and they have done this.

they were warned before they left turkey and before boarding.

the problem was radicals onboard hoping to get this outcome [putting palestine back in the news].
they are using innocent british peaceniks
who do want to help palestinians to cause diplomatic problems and bring the british government into their fight.

i would like to know why our immigration system gives british passports to islamic fundamentalists who come here crying they want sanctuary then allows them to go abroad to cause diplomatic problems/tensions.
i would take their citizenship off them and deport them.

the enemy is using our democratic way of life as a weapon and we are allowing it.

david and ed milliband being jewish wont come out and critisize israel.
how do you think these brothers will be looked upon by the islamic world if one is selected as labour leader or becomes prime minister.
we wont have good diplomatic relationships with half the world.

antisemetic feeling have never been so high around the world.

[dave]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137843

watch your peaceful aid givers throwing objects,stun grenades and swinging iron bars,chains etc at soldiers about to board the ship.

if they had allowed the soldiers on board this incident would not have happend as it did.

[HuwOS]

"watch your peaceful aid givers throwing objects,stun grenades and swinging iron bars,chains etc at soldiers about to board the ship."

Trying to defend themselves from heavily armed pirates.

"if they had allowed the soldiers on board this incident would not have happend as it did."
Do you regularly allow armed robbers onto your property to take your stuff Dave?

"the problem was radicals onboard hoping to get this outcome "
Yup, they were just hoping and praying to be shot dead. That'll show 'em they said.
Get any tougher with us and we'll encourage you to shoot our kids as well just to make you feel worse.

Anti-semitic feeling is no higher or lower than it ever is, there's always some tosspot out there trying to dehumanise people.
Neo-nazi's do it about blacks and jews and the Israeli's do it about Palestinians, calling them animals and while depriving them of basic necessities talking about putting them "on a diet".

Anti-Israeli feeling however is a different matter, despite Israel attempting to cast everyone who is critical of it's criminal acts as being anti-semitic.

"the uk navy boards ships in international waters and will fire on the crew and ship if attacked whilst boarding.
and they have done this."

They have also invaded countries in breach of international law and allowed the US to transport kidnapped people through UK controlled territories with the intention of imprisoning and torturing them.
One countries crimes does not mean another countries crimes don't count.

[Kay Tie]

What a complicated mess. I have received so many conflicting reports I have no idea what to think or who to believe.

[dave]

are you for real huw

if i had an armed robber robbing my house i would let him carry on.

take it all would be the only thing i would say.

my life is worth more than property.
it would be stupid to give him provocation to shoot me.

i wouldn't threaten him with an iron bar or throw stun grenades at him.

the problem was radicals onboard hoping to get this outcome "
Yup, they were just hoping and praying to be shot dead.

they call it martyrdom huw and these islamists will use women,children,whoever to succeed in their cause.
suicide bombers are a fav and there's plenty of volunteers.

these radical islamists are trying to envoke the ummah to rise up against israel and then it will be the west.

as for nazi's huw i remember there were islamic boffen ss units like the skanderbeg division and 13th ss handzar divison that slaughtered and raped across the baltics.

the mufti of jerusalem and the nazi's got on well having many similar ideas on the eradication of the jews.

what is the state of the ummah at this time huw?

this group is determined to cause a war between arab countries and israel.
there is talk of a turkish navy ship escorting the next aid ship.
we all know israel will sink the ship and go to war with any arab country that fancies a go.

doesnt turkey occupy half of cyprus.
doing just what they accuse israel of doing with palestine.

this group doesnt want to deliver just aid, it is trying to re-open a port so weapons can be brought into palestine,which will be used against israel.

[HuwOS]

You're kind of skipping the fact that Turkey is Israel's closest ally in the region dave.

Israel's blockade of Gaze is illegitimate.
It's boarding of the ships in international waters is illegitimate.

Israel and anyone else who fancies can spin all they like, the condemnation they are receiving is for the criminal and violent acts they perpetrated.

Classic to make the victims out to be the bad guys, it's been used by many peoples and nations over time but in modern times has been used by Israel more than any others.

When IDF personnel are standing over dead bodies, there is no question what happened, only how long it will take for the truth to be acknowledged by Israel and their more fervent supporters.

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I don't think the 'hard right', Zionist element in Isreal is interested in anything other than dominating the whole of Palestine. Why do we hear about Muslim etremism as an excuse for Israels overwhelming brutality? What about Zionist extremism?

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No matter what the specific details of the latest controversy are, Israeli governments and politicians have not been dealing fairly.

There is a line of argument driven by Islamophobia that Israel is in fact a victim instead of a human rights abuser and a consistant rebel against international consensus and the agreements it reaches.

Gaza has been blockadaed for years. Israel's Zionists still found reason to bombard it because a few home made rockets reached over the wall. Anyone who is interested in the Gazan side of the story will begin to realise the consequences of these circumstances.

Justice must be rigourously upheld for all sides. It doesn't depend on how white they are, how economically involved we are or how many tanks and rifles we sell them.

The British media is biased toward Israeli Zionists. The Gazans are prisoners and I don't think these POOR people are being supported.

The rest of the world is bigger than harcore zionism, but make no mistake this is the focus of the modern world. It spills over. It was obvious before 9/11.

Israel can talk all it likes about Islamists. Its behaviour is even worse and it is in fact the dominant party. Start acting fairly instead of pleading some special case. The holocaust has nothing to do with this quagmire.