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Huw O'Sullivan

I have no contact with farmers but feel it should be pointed out that price per litre was 22p in 1998, it did drop drastically between then and now, so you could say it is crawling out of the doldrums rather than that farmers are doing particularly well.
4p a litre higher ten years later doesn't exactly sound like price gouging.

http://www.fwi.co.uk/Articles/2008/06/20/110920/uk-milk-supply-can-recover-from-current-low.html

Of course then there's an article from last year which has the cost of production being around 25p a litre.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/09/02/cnmilk102.xml

For this year according to NFU estimates, the cost of production averages 28p per litre.

All that may explain 5-6% of farmers going out of business yearly.

Farmers are not the bad guys Paul.
It does feel as if you are picking on them sometimes, is it because your constituency is not rural?

paulflynn

Wrong Huw. I represent a fair number of farmers. These are favourable facts of farming prosperity that are relatively under - reported.
This week the FUW celebrated the collapse of an agreement that would have reduced starvation in the developing world. Farming is a powerful successful lobby that has shaped public opinion. That does not make their views correct.

Milk has been a problem area but has now improved. But it's been a bonanza time for grain farmers. I have long argued for virement of subsidies from grain farmers to those in mlk production.

Very few farmers go bankrupt. Many go out of farming and sell their land.

John

And as if to prove Juline Critchleys point

Home office spokesman "We have no intention of either decriminalising or legalising currently controlled drugs for recreational purposes.

"Drugs are controlled for good reason - they are harmful to health. Their control protects individuals and the public from the harms caused by their misuse."

and the Tories

"Drugs wreck lives, destroy communities and are a major cause of crime.

"The answer lies in robust policing and sentences to catch and deter the peddlers of drugs. We also need to establish a dedicated UK Border Police to stop drugs flowing into our porous borders"

THe usual twaddle from the main parties when told that their policies are useless and cause more damage than they attempt to stop. At least Transform had it right

"If you voted in the last election, you probably voted for prohibition. You voted to gift hundreds of billions of pounds to organised crime each year, to undermine the social and economic development of producer countries such as Colombia, Afghanistan as well as transit countries such as Guinea Bissau and Jamaica. You voted to double the amount of acquisitive crime in the UK and to double the prison population with it. Your "X" contributed to misery and degradation for millions of the most marginalised people on earth. Unless we all do something to change it, you will probably vote for prohibition next time too"

greg

Hello Paul

I appear to be a few days late on your 'Jolly Roger'/Saunders Lewis comment, however was inspired to google his name, and did appear to find a few disturbing things about him via this link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=uwWIhImk0zwC&pg=PA176&lpg=PA176&dq=saunders+lewis+english+evacuees&source=web&ots=irWfObJdlU&sig=L0hTNhuTbo8B1hd9x8mq0U76dN4&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=3&ct=result

I would appreciate your comments on some of his apparent opinions!

The last person to speak Welsh in my family was my great-grandmother, so I can appreciate pride in preserving an ancient language, but it seems to be a fine line between this and a much more unpleasant form of national pride - possibly one that has made people step back from pride in Wales and a more moderate form of Welsh nationalism.

Regards

Greg

PaulFlynn

Thanks you Greg. That's was a good read and much of it is new to me. I was aware of the fashion among literary figures for the French far Right views in the 30s but I did not know that Yeats, Chesterton and Eliot were attracted to it.

Plaid was judged by many to be the Pope's Party and its progress was hampered by that in non-conformist Wales. They were many who were attracted to that cause in the turmoil of 30s politics.

This had very little to the eventual contribution of Saunders Lewis to literature and politics.

PaulFlynn

John, you could not make it up. Critchley makes a deadly accusation and the Home Office and the Tories confirm its full truth.

greg

Hello Paul

I spent some time in the East Anglia in the early 2000's, and a lot of what I was reading in the link sounded very much like what the 'white working class' were saying about Poles and Eastern Europeans who were starting to come over to do unpopular and poorly-paid jobs. I personally have a lot of respect for primates, but I don't think Saunders calling evacuees in Welsh Cafes 'Gorillas' was meant to be complimentary!

Depressingly the one thing that unites most people seems to be a dislike of difference and distrust of other cultures.

Regards

Greg

PaulFlynn

My memories of the thirties and forties are that racialism was universal and hatred of foreigners was unquestioned.

I was shocked by an incident in Newport recently. Open ugly racialism in an area where I least expected it.

But some of the things in this account do not match the Saunders Lewis that I knew well.

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