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You refer to the Argus' evidence free story,
And at the risk of becoming all tedious and bory.
I would ask for your source for your following assertion:
"15,000 people died in London last year from effects of air pollution",
I have searched and searched with all due vigour,
But cannot confirm your stated figure.
Please tell me where it originates,
It's the least you could do for one of your mates.

It has been said by others, not me.
That you lack a certain credibility,
By making statements, such as above.
Without any evidence at all to prove.
Please help satisfy my curiosity,
And respond with an absence of acetosity.
Just the facts will do, old mate.
If you can help me, that would be great.

If some people were a little less keen on being smart alec's they would have checked to confirm the figure is what it appears to be, suspected perhaps a typo in the 15,000 figure. Easy to check, what question is on record. http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debate/?id=2008-07-08a.1277.0
I'd link to hansard but you can get there from the link anyway.
The 1,500 figure was also used in
the Presentation to Citeair Conference, Mayor’s Air Quality Strategy
Sarah Legge, Senior Policy Adviser - Air Quality, 11 March 2005.
"Air pollution is estimated to bring forward 1,600 deaths and cause another 1,500 hospital admissions every year in London."
It seems a little on the low side
Air pollution causes between 12,000 and 24,000 premature deaths each year (Committee on the Medical Effect of Air Pollutants).
Quantification of the Effects of Air Pollution on Health in the United Kingdom, COMEAP, 1998
In the census 2001 , London had a population of 7,172,00
In 2001 GB had a population of 59 Million
Giving London roughly 1/8th of the population of the UK

If we assume that London has no greater proportion of deaths than anywhere else in UK (a reasonably safe way of guaranteeing that our figure will be an underestimate) then the figures for London would be 1500 to 3000 premature deaths each year.

Paul you seem to be underestimating as has the Mayors office, well the previous Mayor, this one seems to be ignoring it.

Some fodder for Jolly
"to be a fool one doesn't need to study"
"no need to to plant or cultivate fools they grow everywhere"
Better silent than stupid.

This seems to be a sensitive issue to you Jolly Roger. Do you want to confess something? An owner of a 4*4 perhaps? I have had a great response to this question after it was broadcast on national television.

The question as reported in Hansard is

T3. [216846] Paul Flynn (Newport, West) (Lab): Last year, 1,500 people died in London as a result of air pollution. A decision was taken this morning that will set in reverse 50 years of work to improve the air quality in London by issuing an invitation to encourage even more polluting, gas-guzzling, Chelsea tractors to poison the air we breathe. What can the Government do to protect us from the anti-environment excesses of Boris the buffoon?


The figure quoted was based on the lowest I could find in the Mayor of London air quality report. That is 1,600. As it's inevitably an estimate I rounded it down to a cautious lower figure.

HuwSullivan found my source. The report chillingly recalls the photo-chemical smog of 1991. London's air is still heavily polluted. It used to be as foul as Beijing's. Buffoon is a kind description of someone who is deliberately reversing a clean-up that is taking us from the smog that gave London the nick-name of The Smoke.

Environmental vandal perhaps?

Interesting that the Argus has failed to publish the comments of Jessica Morden and me on the David Davies scare on the web or in the paper. They had them our statement at 7.00 on Wednesday evening - confirmed in a telephone conversation yesterday morning.
A responsible local newspaper should lose no time in allaying fears that they have stoked up.

Hi Paul

Just to give you some furthur information on the use of Vapourizers for those wanting a harm reducing method of inhaling cannabis.
THese work by having a heating element that heats the cannabis without burning. THis releases the THC CBD's etc without releasing carbon monoxide and the pariculates associated with respiratory irritation and possible cancer.
THe one most widely used in Canadian medicaL Cannabis users is called the volcano http://www.storz-bickel.com/vaporizer/vaporizer.html an industry awarded German built product although there are many others available.
THere have been many scientific studies on the use of such vapourizers such as this
http://www.torontohemp.com/mapsnorml.htm

but I will quote "The vapors from the Volcano® were found to consist overwhelmingly of THC, the major active component in marijuana, whereas the combusted smoke contained over 100 other chemicals, including several polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), carcinogenic toxins that are common in tobacco smoke. The respiratory hazards of marijuana and tobacco smoke are due to toxic byproducts of combustion, not the active ingredients in the plant, known as cannabinoids"

Such information should be freely available as a Public health intiative. At the moment most of the cannabis used is burnt and often the cheap "soap bar" which has around 5% cannabis the rest made up of engine oil,blue tac henna and other fillers I shudder to think what dangers to health this could cause.
Hope you find this useful
best wishes
John

That's fascinating John and new to me.
I have in the past advocated the health benfits of SNUS - the smokeless tobacco. This method of ingesting cannabis would remove 99% of the health hazards.

Thank you Huw, for the useful posting.
And to Paul for his helpful hosting.
I'm pleased to see that there was a typo,
And that the true figure is somewhat hypo.
The figured quoted could cause alarm.
But I'm sure that Paul meant no harm,
Particularly now that it's been corrected,
And shows more accurately those affected.

In answer to your question regarding my car,
I'm afraid that I'm an environmental star.
My vehicle is powered by dual-fuel.
And at 51p. a litre I'm no dual-fool.
It starts on Petrol and then, soon as,
It changes over to propane gas.
Despite my environmental stance.
My car tax goes up so I've got no chance.




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